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Sorry to be so negative on this but, for one, isn't this a crime? two, if what they did was so bad, I don't think the photo was a good choice and finally the article seems to glorify their criminal act. From a dad with daughters. But a suspension from school definitely seems appropriate. Just shows they have no respect for their female classmates and their privacy, nevermind the other women using the hotel.

If I were the parent of one of those girls I'd want them to be punished. since they need a damn good bollocking, yes. Prosecution is probably a step too far given their age though. Thank US and it's Christian puritan influence for destroying what was once a beautiful bathing culture.

Just look at Germany and a number of other European countries where mixed nude bathing and sauna is so common nobody really cares about these matters too much.

Voyeurs still exist, but for pathological reasons. And yes, 16 year old boys will be 16 year old boys, no matter how outrageous someone finds this. Anime and manga are full of peeping toms, foreign anime and manga audiences gets away with an impression that peeping toms are normal in Japanese culture.

Geeze imagine that teenage boys trying to grab a look at girls. Sounds like normal activity for an adolescent. Sit down and have a talk with them about respecting young ladies and privacy, make them do some extra clean up or something around the school and move on. ebisen - another appeal to emotion fallacy. How could Christian puritanism, which would abhor that type of behavior and agree with the separation of men and women bathing, be responsible for the mischievous acts of two dozen teenage Japanese boys?

Sensei - historically, the naked body was not a big deal, and certainly not sexual in itself in Japan, just like it is seen today in Germany and Scandinavia, for example.

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After the war, when bath segregation was imposed by the occupying forces, it had lead to a drastic drop in the number of mixed baths, and that naturally lead to an increase in the number of voyeurism and other certain acts. Not only males, but also females are affected by this. If you have the chance, talk to a German person about their bathing culture, you'll have an eye opening moment.

They were not 13 years old, there were 13 boys of the ages 15 and Not that it matters really. Pretty disrespectful. ebisen - you still haven't answered the question how could an ideology which focuses on restraint and self-control be blamed for what these kids did?

Sensei - guess who, and by what reasons imposed segregation in Japan after the second war world? Google is your friend. A healthy interest in the opposite sex real females might be just the thing Japan needs to get their native population stable.

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ebisen - you keep dancing around the topic of bathing culture which is not in dispute and avoiding the answer to my question. Those kids are creatures of free will, and did it because they wanted to. They weren't forced by a belief system that they don't even ascribe to. Or are you trying to say that if there were a coed bathing culture Japan, these boys wouldn't have been forced to do what they did? The US did not create Japan's patriarchal culture that demeans women and allows men to think sexualizing young girls is acceptable.

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It starts with young men getting away with this kind of behavior, which is then normalized until men see women as sex objects that exist for their amusement and pleasure. And no, you do not have to touch a woman for her to feel she has been sexually assaulted. Obviously I'm not using the word in it's legal sense. The correct word for this crime is voyeurism. What I am saying is that these girls can't feel safe around their male peers any longer.

They can't trust these boys won't do something similar, or worse. This is how the fear and distrust of men starts. And that you utterly ignored the implications of these boys' actions for the girls says a lot about how you view women yourself. They probably watch too much anime. Reality is a lot more harsh. Probably lost their chance to ever date these girls now. I can still remember when I saw it.

There was a hastily built partition between the boys and girls locker rooms. There for a moment, I looked down in shame and thought I had 11 toes. Yes, but prioritizing one's sexual urges over another's right to privacy is not healthy. A healthy interest in sex should be encouraged, while anti-societal behavior such as this should be discouraged. There are mixed hot springs. When I visit a hot spring there are always fathers with their little daughters.

Misrepresentation does not help anything. This was not a sexual assault, and no reasonable court would ever find it was. It was an invasion of privacy, in a sexual manner. In such a situation, consent has been given to see the naked people by entering into an area where it is known that people have the right to be naked and to be seen naked. Such consent has not been given to people not in the contained area. As consent has not been given, peeping into their area is a violation of the privacy of those being peeped upon.

I mean, it wasn't all that long ago that this was a scene in a very popular Hollywood movie I made it clear I'm not using the word in the legal sense. I also clearly stated the legal term is "voyeurism". It IS sexual assault in the sense that the girls did not give consent and the boys forced a sexual act on them. While this would not legally be classified as sexual assault, the result to the girls' psyche is exactly the same.

The mental health effects should not be dismissed or downplayed just because no one actually touched them. Again, misrepresentation does not help the situation. It is not a sexual assault, and making up new definitions of the term doesn't suddenly make it so. It was a violation of their privacy, and their right to determine to whom they consent to see themselves naked.

Assault is something different. Assault literally and I use that word literally means a physical attack. There was no physical attack here. I thought this article was a joke when I read the headline. Boys taking a peep at nudie girls - this has been the norm for 83 billion years. Now if they had absolutely no interest in taking a peep, I'd be much more concerned and should've made the national news.

Yeah, dang those American Puritans for having the audacity to give Japanese women the right to vote and petition their government! How dare they! strangeland Above you said "we as society have created a very real stigma upon being seen naked" That is just not the case in Japan. Um, are you reading a different article than I am? Try reading the article again, and then come back and tell me that the above quote isn't about as silly as it gets.

OK so what about the pre-warning about peeping, the staff posted at the entrance, the girls informing on the boys, the apology and the sensitivity lessons? American SJWs, or Japanese trying to protect the privacy of others?

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If this happened to my daughter I would press charges against the school. No one has the right to see you naked without your permission and from what the article states the school doesn't seem to be doing much about it.

Teens are idiots and the ones that did this are particularly gross but it's the school's responsibility to monitor the behavior of their students. They failed to protect the privacy of their female students and that is unacceptable.

Which has any relevance to what? No clue if they are American. I had it easy! Everything I wanted to see was right there in the changing room! Naked guys everywhere! Didn't have to climb walls! Just sat down and enjoyed the view! As some have pointed out here, up until the end of WWII, Japanese baths were not segregated by male and female, but everyone bathed together. The separation was imposed by American occupying forces. However, it is a well known secret that there are still some baths way out in the countryside that are still integrated.

So for their punishment maybe the boys should be made to line up naked in front of the girls, which would give them a head up on who to date next. I just realized the irony of having a picture of a woman in an onsen for a story about boys peeping at girls in an onsen. Their actions are understandable but probably not correct.

So they are told it's wrong and they shouldn't repeat it. End of story, back to class! LOL, zichi That made me laugh out loud! So only the boys who don't get asked out by the girls would be "punished" lol. All of those crimes contribute to women not feeling safe, and having their power and autonomy stripped away little by little.

You think that women should be happy about sexual assault because being sexually assaulted means men approve of their physical appearance. Not boys being boys rather children developing into adults, with all the inquisitive impulses and mistakes that are part of life.

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Sexual assault I would disagree and if that's assault then it's time for burkas all round. Maybe the school should have scheduled a trip to a hot spring where box sexes share the waters, so that no wrong doing would be asserted.

Anyway, the bamboo walls always let a small opening for good eyesight people, especially you'gsters. Sorry because I feel for you. Forget as if it did not happen. No one hurt, no consequence at all. Boys stopped and punished.

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Because it has been happening from our species dawn and will happen in the future whether you like it or not, nothing should have been reported as news. Hands up for any guy's that would have done exactly this if they were in the same situation when they were years old. I am not saying it is right, yes the girls and ladies should have privacy. as for punishment, well a good lecture all about respect would not go a miss. Girls need to learn about the more extreme boys sooner or later.

They cannot expect the authorities to control everything.

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My first year in Japan at a teachers' hot spring weekend I got pretty drunk and tried to scale the dividing wall. This JP guy started yelling and my teacher buddy pulled me down.

Apparently that guy's wife was in the bath. They won't learn that the privacy of girls and women is to be respected, and that it's fairly easy to get away with doing such things. It will be seen as a funny joke, and no lesson will be learned about respecting women.

Since the boys weren't very severely punished, they will also learn that their priavcy isn't very important, and that violating it won't be treated as a big deal.

This is how girls are taught that their privacy and bodily autonomy won't be respected, and even if you report such a crime, the violator won't be punished so there is no use in complaining, and enduring is the only way to survive. This is what is termed "rape culture". Living in a culture that dismisses small sex crimes against women as insignificant or unimportant teaches women that THEY are insignificant and unimportant. Let me check if I understand you correctly.

You are praising these boys for sexually assaulting their female classmates. You also believe that a lecture is appropriate punishment for sexual assault.

The boys are at fault because they made a conscious decision to force a non-consensual sex act on their female classmates.

If you feel for girls and women who have to endure sexual harassment and assault, then don't attempt to diminish the seriousness of such crimes. I've personally never experienced peeping, but several of my female friends have. It's terrifying. It makes you feel powerless, and it makes you hyperaware of your vulnerability - this is especialy important in the light of the fact that they boys won't really be punished. The girls now know that no one takes these crimes very seriously, so they will learn how little importance is placed on their comfort and security.

Seeing as so many male commenters here are saying boys will be boys, imagine yourself as a young woman and having to attend school likely for 3 more years with adolescent boys who have seen you naked, and who will no doubt remind you of that fact at every opportunity. Are you SURE no punishment is in order? I think you are projecting your Western values on the situation. Wasn't too long ago in Japan that mixed bathing was common.

These boys did not assault their classmates. An assault is a physical attack. They did not physically attack these girls. Again, it only harms your cause to misrepresent that which you are criticizing, because it makes people question everything you say. Peeping on naked girls in the hotspring is bad in and of itself, it doesn't need to be falsely reported as an assault. I've had more fun reading the comments, some. I even question the intelligence of some of the people writing the comment.

Can we get realthese are healthy 15 year old boys with the same thoughts running round in their heads as the 15 year old girls. Would there be the same outcry if it was the girls looking over the fence at the boys, I doubt it. Just teenagers being teenagers, thank goodness there are still some fun left for the kids, especially in the society that we have today. Scary how most people here in the comments think that's it's normal to break female privacy like that.

Because "boys are boys" yea of course boys especially in puberty have thoughts like that we all had that but that doesn't justify the action of actually doing it. Have you guys ever even talked to females in one point in your life?

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Do you really think they would think its okay because they're the weaker gender? Imagine if any of you guys have a dauther yourself in that age and would you really think like: "Ah yes it's fine now she seems to be a desirable female. Because that's the only thing woman are there for".

Sexual assault?!! The euro girls i grew up with in the 80s would have emasculated these J boys. I'm a guy and in the guy's onsen area I see female cleaning staff coming in all the time. They walk in without the slightest care or "respect" for my privacy. Um, I think it's the polar opposite. Discussions on topics like this are an important part of an evolving species. When topics become forbidden because you don't like them to be discussed, society stagnates, the people get apathetic, and everyone suffers as a result.

Discourse, engagement, and resolution are necessary for evolution. Not talking about issues like this, because it's blase, would be a sad indictment of society. It's the sign of a society that is stuck and will be left behind. You don't get it.

Not all people hold the same views on being naked. Did the schoolgirls make a complaint about the boys? Certainly there are widely different views and standards naked. Some American states even have laws about what you are allowed to wear.

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Mix bathing is still common here. I think it was a silly schoolboy thing and they should be told not to repeat it and why but that's it. I am appalled by the comments that condone the behavior of the youths and dismissing the issue as normal. They are incapable of understanding how the women must have felt. I agree that it was a silly thing for the boys to do and anything more than a stern warning or possible suspension would be too much, but it does say in the article that it was the girls who reported the incident to their teachers.

Your or 'one's different views on being naked do not cut it here in Japan. And the girls reported the boys to their teachers. but it does say in the article that it was the girls who reported the incident to their teachers.

Afraid some people are blowing this minor incident out of all proportions even calling it sexual assault. In the male onsen, women attendants are always walking about and even in male toilets when I'm taking a pee, I turn round and there's a woman cleaner standing there. Personally I think they're at an age where they should know the boundaries it is not assault but it is a violation and it's not really that far removed from setting up a camera in a restroom. I totally get it.

I work out and have been called macho. Often at public baths I go in and men stare at my body. I can feel the eyes burning holes in my buttocks in particular.

Some of them appear gay, and I am straight so far. I actually do not like public baths so much just for that reason. Why take a holiday when my power and autonomy will be stripped away, and damage to my psyche. Even though no one has "touched" me yet, I feel sexually assaulted. This is classic boy stuff. I can't believe they made a story of this. Heck, this is what I would do!!

That is the way I see it too. They got cough, then some kind of useful punishment to make them understand WHY they should not have done it. Pressure to do it was most likely high for the ones who did not want to. I think when using a facility like a hot spring other people will see you naked and washing. Mostly, but not always, probably members of the same sex, but there are people even uncomfortable with that.

Certainly, many times when I have used them, fathers bring their under five year old daughters who are also naked. There are always women attendants in the males sections. In the changing rooms or around the pools. Not all all of those women are older sometimes even young women but no one seems disturbed by their presence. It wasn't the best idea for these schoolboys to peep over the dividing wall, especially after being warned not to do so. We don't know the true extend of any hurt the girls, and other female users felt because they weren't interviewed for the article.

We can only assume what they might have felt. I personally would not put the incident on the level of sexual assault or even call it the same as hiding a camera in a toilet or changing room. Had it involved teachers then it would be a different level of incident. The boys have been punished and if any of the girls are not happy with that, then their families can take further legal action against them and the school, which would probably have happened already in a country like America, where suing is the order of the day.

I think if people don't expect to be seen naked by same sex members or opposite sex they might want to think twice before visiting a hot springs. I know foreigners who have lived here for years but never have been to one.

The online sleuths in Japan are trying to figure out which high school. This is a false equivalency. You know they are cleaning staff, and you know they are not there to spy on you to get a sexual thrill.

Cleaning is their job. They aren't there for any other reason. And, since everyone knows that cleaning staff are in and out of the bathrooms all day, their occasional appearance is expected. If you know they are going to be there, then I don't see how it can be called a breach of privacy. May I clarify? Are you saying women should teach themselves not to be upset by cleaning women in the toilet?

Or are you saying women should teach themselves not to be traumatized when they are sexually assaulted? This is not a good idea. When women "flaunt" themselves, men assume that means they want sex - from him, right now, and quite often those men behave very, very badly towards those women. And when any of those things happen, the women are blamed - because, as these men's logic goes, "flaunting it" means "wanting it", And how were the men to know any better Overall I agree with a lot of what you've said but for the invasion of privacy I do think it's close to setting up a camera.

Not as extreme but still not appropriate in any way at all. Did they take any measures to prevent peeping the other way around? Girls have been known to try to peep on the boys, too. Forcing a sexual act upon someone who has not given consent is a form of sexual assault. I use that word not in the legal sense, but in the sense that voyeurism is a sex crime. In what sense did they stand their ground that is different from what those girls did in reporting the incident?

I'd call that a very brave act, and very definitely from a place of empowerment. I'm proud of them for standing up for themselves.

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It is not an easy thing to do in a country where women are often dismissed or not believed when they report sexual harassment and assault. At least if they had staff posted outside the women's changing space while the girls were in there then the girls wouldn't be infiltrating the men's changing space.

Yes, mixed bathing was common in Japan, and there still are a number of onesen with mixed bathing. However, when one knows the onsen has mixed bathing, one is consenting to being seen by the opposite sex. I do not think voyeurism is a Japanese value.

In fact, it is a crime in Japan to peep into windows, peep into toilets, or peep into the women's bathing area at onsen. I don't think, then, that it is accurate to say that in criticizing this action by the boys I am "projecting Western values. Or perhaps, no one has the right to see your naked body unless you've taken your clothes off in a public place.

The definition of "public place" will probably vary depending on the proximity of year old boys and the age of the undressed. An onsen is not a public place. It's private property. One gives their consent to be seen naked only to the people who are supposed to be in the same place they are. That's a good question. If I put myself in the shoes of the girls, I would want an apology, Japanese-style, from each boy involved, including the ones who cheered on the main culprits.

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They should also apologize to the onsen management for causing such trouble. I would also want them to be given a lecture from the principal about respecting women. I don't know what schools in Japan generally do in such cases, but it should be something that makes them understand that the school takes the incident very seriously.

I don't think a simple lecture would suffice, as some people are suggesting, and I do hope that is not the school's only plan. Actually I didn't know about this at hot springs and in toilets and isn't an item displayed at the entrance nor did I expect to see young naked girl children in the hot pools.

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I'm still not comfortable with it. Why not male cleaners and attendants for the male side? More than once I see the woman stirring at my tool. Clever but stubborn.

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Stop maki'g it personal thinking the universe thinks and use same views as you. Japanese are respectful and learning it at school. Boys here have been told it was wrong. I would have given them myself a hard time to think of their actions because I am adult now. Enough to let think watching a naked body by luck of circonstance or even game 13 kids all at same time, imagine the noise was something criminal. And yes, men get naked and are observed by gays or cleaning ladies, without warning.

And guss what, I don't like it myself but get over because it's life. Tom was perhaps a real character said to have looked as Lady Godiva rode naked through the streets of Coventry, England. Not quite a comparable situation to the one here. Sure, what they did was absolutely inappropriate, and they should be made aware the reality of that. BUT, have you seen manga or anime targeting that age?

Even Doraemon has a common gag on peeping girls in the bath. When it becomes such a common thing to do for their characters, why would they think otherwise? In the mind of a 13 year old boy, it's probably more up there with giving people a kancho just a funny thing boys do. At the first place I believe going to hot spring bath with teens - or even any age - is a mistake. This is a major body transformation time and I would not be surprised that in both boys and girls sides many of them did not feel comfortable bathing naked even within their male or female peers or even adults not clear if it was private or not.

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Forcing these kids to do that is more problematic than the peeping itself IMHO. I agree. Those commenting on the inappropriate behavior of these boys should perhaps take biology courses in addition to their social studies courses. Or just try raising teenagers. It's not the fault of the Boys, but that of the Onsen operator why make it easy for Kids to climb to the top of the dividing partition.

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If anything, the operator should be given an enforcement order to address the issue - since by making the partition scalable, they are creating an opportunity for people to hurt themselves. For anyone to chastise the Kids of such behavior is simply a denial of youth and growing up. It's with little wonder that Japan is suffering a decline in population with such "Conservative" opinions abound. What surprises me is that even though you have been a victim of voyeurism yourself, you still lack empathy for these girls.

There isn't any mention of anything sexual in the article. Odd how many comments assume something sexual happened or might happen. I've had cleaning ladies in Japanese toilets stare at me while I'm "going. Don't know. Didn't care. How does their looking harm me in any way, unless I let it harm me?

Curiosity and a dose of reality. But all of these are different situations than peeping. Nobody will disagree that peeping is wrong.

Make each boy caught write a letter of apology and read it to a girl in the school.

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Doesn't matter who the girl is. Probably best if the girls volunteer to hear it. The act of apologizing will help both groups. ebisenMay 19 am JSTThank US and it's Christian puritan influence for destroying what was once a beautiful bathing culture. I've heard from many people who have visited the beaches of Spain and Portugal that women walk the shore topless - oh my! and nobody makes any big deal about it. It's considered to be 'normal' and alright. Some guys just have their minds in the gutter no matter what.

Obviously not a public place if you have to climb over a wall to see it. Is a bathroom in a shopping center a public place to you? Do these boys have the right to climb over the stall to watch a girl take her pants off?

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I'm sure the girls will eventually get over it as they will, inevitably, have to get over the hundreds of other incidents of sexual harassment that they're bound to experience for the rest of their lives. Natural urges are natural urges but a 16 year old should have more sense than this. I would expect this from 12 year olds. Problem solved.

Not that they will truly mean what they write, but they may learn from the experience. Good to know all these guys posting never ever ever snuck a look at a girl when they were teenagers. Next case. I think I can answer your question. Very often, girls have their first experience at being sexually objectified at a very young age. Most girls have had at least one incident of sexual assault or harassment by the time they reach their teens, e. It gets worse the older you get, because as you come into sexual maturity, more and more men see you as a sexual being and project their desire on you even when you have not indicated interest in them.

It is very, very common, so much so that we come to expect it and even somewhat get used to it. Also peeping is a very common kind of voyeurism and is classified under sex crimes, so you know, that people see it as a sex crime really should not be a surprise to you. Can I clarify? You are asking why it bothers women when men go out of their way to try and see them naked without their consent. Is that right?

Why women don't want men to peek at them in the bath is something you have a hard time understanding? Again, I need to clarify. Are you saying that peeping is "just curiosity" on the part of the boys, and therefore not really a big deal?

I mean, you didn't SAY "It's not a big deal" but you did say "It's curiosity and reality" which I took to mean you think the peeper satisifying his curiosity about seeing women naked is normal reality.

And are you saying that an apology to the girl is going to make the girl he peeped at feel better about his violating her trust and sense of comfort and safety? You are encouraging teenage boys to equip themselves with tools that will aid them in committing the crime of voyeurism. I might well have been tempted do that kind of thing when I was about 7 but by 16 I was actually getting girls.

It is national news in Japan when boys or girls try to sneak a look at the other sex. Over here, we are bombarded with news of actual sexual abuse, as well as hundreds killed nearly every day in gun violence.

I wish we had Japan's problem instead. Hundreds killed nearly every day? Gee, people might think from your comment that 70, orpeople or more were being murdered every year by guns in the U. Your problem in the U. is that you are bombarded with sensationalized coverage when fairly uncommon events happen, and your comment shows how you've inflated the problem in your mind to five or ten times its actual size.

One factor that helps keep Japan's social problems in check is that there is a lot of attention given to deviant behavior like this at schools.

Japan still has a lot of social problems, many of which get swept under the rug far too often, but schools are held to very high expectations to keep the behavior of their students in check. Breakdowns in order in the schooling system are cause for national alarm because schools are considered so central in shaping Japanese society. Not sure how you managed to swing the opinions of so many people here to sympathize more with the perpetrators than with the victims.

Too many posts saying the same thing over and over for me to be bothered to go back and pinpoint how and when. But you certainly seem to have succeeded. Do you mean foolish? Kidnapping a girl and holding her captive for years is deviant behavior. The fact that you were ignorant of what is common knowledge in Japan is, well, your problem. Everyone here knows that young children go into restrooms, public baths, etc with a parent or grandparent of the opposite sex. Again, people here know from an early age that the ones with the low paying jobs of cleaning public toilets are female.

Whether your tool caused a stir in the restroom or whether a cleaner was staring at it, it was inappropriate and you could report it to the management of the facility. When I lived in Tokyo more than four decades ago I used to frequent a family-run sento public bath. No one was surprised or bothered by this as it was understood it was their job. But the teenagers in this story were not performing any job and had no business spying on their classmates.

What privacy? These girls are in a public spring bath showing their bodies to other girls but ultimately people. It seems a bit late for "privacy" which is supposed to involve, you know, "private" activities. If anything, can't we say it is kind of a sexism for girls to be completely OK with other girls but go to pieces just because it is a male?

How is this different from a person reacting negatively to the mere sight of a black man? Aren't we supposed to be getting over treating people differently based on gender, race or other factors commonly recognized to be outside their control?

Here's the question, why should getting looked at make women "not feel safe"? Is there an intrinsic reason for that? Or are girls in choosing to act as if it is the end of the world actually falling into a feudal male trap, of agreeing to a worldview where they are so small and fragile that mere exposure of their naked bodies to male pupils is sufficient to cause permanent damage? I'm not sure how I could ever feel pride in myself if I believe that mere exposure to pupils from the opposite sex will and should damage me or make me feel insecure.

It is actually one solution to the problem if girls managed to view being looked at as a positive rather than a negative event. Because you know it's true, perhaps?

This was just poor planning on the school's part. Punish the boys responsible, by all means not the kids who did not look but said nothingbut really. If I were a teenager and could look over a wall at naked girls with ease, I would. Especially if a school preempted the trip with, "Please don't do the following Could you imagine the sight of Great Grandma Watanabe getting up and giving them a full frontal whilst telling them to behave themselves?

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I'm sorry, that image could be rather mentally disturbing. A number of years ago, a kid who was about 12 tried to grope me on the train.

My first thought was to grab his Doraemon comic and smack him on the head with it. Instead, I looked right into his face as I took his hand off my thigh, and smacked his hand, and dropped it into his lap. If this were the 70's, I probably wouldn't make this comment but these boys could have all just watched porn hub together in their hotel room instead of being little perverts Um, by this "logic", peeping over the door into a toilet someone is using the toilet, because they've chosen to expose their genitals in a location that is not in their home.

Which is pretty ridiculous. People have the right to privacy that is expected from the facilities in which they have chosen to disrobe.

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In the context of a hot spring, the barriers around the bathing area mean that the bather has the right to privacy expected by the erection heh of such barriers. If the bather was complaining that someone within the barrier is seeing them naked, they have no argument, as the very act of getting naked and entering the bathing area is a implicit consent to be seen naked by those in that bathing area.

They do have the right to complain when someone makes the efforts to circumvent those barriers, as the person looking is infringing upon the privacy rights provided through the existence of the barriers.

This is why putting a hidden camera in the hotsprings would be an arrestable offense. You are entirely mistaken as to whom has been given consent to see one naked when they enter a hot spring.

People outside of that bathing area have not been given consent, and by a legal definition, what you are claiming as a public area is as not public as a toilet stall.

I fully agree with your premise here - that we shouldn't have a problem with being seen naked. In an ideal world, we wouldn't have these hangups. But that's an ideal, and we live in the real world, where these hangups are real, and beyond that, are the norm in society.

As such, those in this current society have the right to expect that their right to privacy, as it exists today, takes precedence over what you think the ideal world would be. Why is that sexism?

If a woman feels uncomfortable with being nude in front of other women, she can go to a private onsen.

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Sounds like you just want an excuse to see naked girls. No, no The problem is the attempt to criminalize human nature.

And it IS human nature.



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